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Post by don0tto on Aug 19, 2012 12:58:12 GMT -5
Should his ban be lifted and should he be in the hall of fame?
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Post by Mdolszak on Aug 19, 2012 15:47:14 GMT -5
Definitely. He's one of the greatest players of all time, as well as the all-time hits leader. and he's not in the HOF because he bet on his team to win when he managed. That's just not right.
If Barry Bonds even comes close to being inducted, then something is seriously wrong with the MLB.
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Post by Apeman711 on Aug 19, 2012 17:30:23 GMT -5
No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone.
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Post by 2091401 on Aug 19, 2012 22:20:30 GMT -5
No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone. There's no rule that says betting results in banishment from the HoF. That's just what the commissioner thought was just. I say he should definitely be inducted. It's not like he was fixing the games. He was betting on his team, not against them. He's one of the greatest players in MLB history. Betting as a manager shouldn't have had nearly as serious consequences.
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Post by Apeman711 on Aug 20, 2012 0:22:14 GMT -5
No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone. There's no rule that says betting results in banishment from the HoF. That's just what the commissioner thought was just. I say he should definitely be inducted. It's not like he was fixing the games. He was betting on his team, not against them. He's one of the greatest players in MLB history. Betting as a manager shouldn't have had nearly as serious consequences. He was still breaking the rules, something that he knew was against the rules. He should expect and accept any punishment that is given to him by the commissioner.
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Post by 2091401 on Aug 20, 2012 15:03:47 GMT -5
There's no rule that says betting results in banishment from the HoF. That's just what the commissioner thought was just. I say he should definitely be inducted. It's not like he was fixing the games. He was betting on his team, not against them. He's one of the greatest players in MLB history. Betting as a manager shouldn't have had nearly as serious consequences. He was still breaking the rules, something that he knew was against the rules. He should expect and accept any punishment that is given to him by the commissioner. No one's debating whether or not he broke the rules. He admitted to it himself. But just because the commissioner thinks that the ridiculous punishment of banning arguably the greatest hitter of all time from the HoF is justified, doesn't mean he's right. It's against the rules to use steroids, but being caught using them usually carries no more than a short suspension. It takes four positive tests to actually be suspended for a season. If that's considered "fair" by the commissioner, then why does betting on your team, a very slight offense compared to 4 positive PED tests, carry a much larger punishment?
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Post by don0tto on Aug 20, 2012 15:15:04 GMT -5
No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone. You can thank bud selig for being the biggest moron
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Post by Apeman711 on Aug 20, 2012 15:28:56 GMT -5
^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman.
Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president.
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Post by 2091401 on Aug 20, 2012 17:13:29 GMT -5
^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman. Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president. Did I ever say that he should be exempt from punishments? No. In fact, my argument is almost the exact opposite. I'm saying that a player/manager who wasn't HoF-worthy would have had a much less severe punishment. The commissioner just used the fact that he's HoF-worthy against him, which is anything but fair.
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Post by Apeman711 on Aug 20, 2012 18:22:55 GMT -5
That's because because revoking HoF status is a punishment that impacts Pete greatly. Obviously someone who isn't Hall worthy wouldn't be stopped from entering the Hall, but the punishment would be just as severe to them as this was to Pete.
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Post by 2091401 on Aug 20, 2012 18:37:15 GMT -5
That's because because revoking HoF status is a punishment that impacts Pete greatly. Obviously someone who isn't Hall worthy wouldn't be stopped from entering the Hall, but the punishment would be just as severe to them as this was to Pete. Could you imagine a punishment worse than banning a worthy player from the Hall of Fame? At least one that the MLB could impose? Why is being caught using steroids only a 10-day suspension, while betting for your team is the worst punishment the MLB is able to force? It shouldn't be.
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Post by Cameron on Aug 20, 2012 18:56:06 GMT -5
No he shouldn't. Betting is clearly labeled as illegal, and the punishment is clear as well. Even if he was one of the greatest players ever, the punishment has to remain the same as for everyone. You can thank bud selig for being the biggest moron What does Pete Rose have to do with Bud Selig? Giamatti is the one who pretty much banned him from baseball. Not only that, but Giamatti seemed to have it in for Pete Rose. Giamatti didn't like him, which is why the punishment was so severe, in my opinion. Could it be more about a personal grudge than the betting itself? Pete Rose has the ability to apply for his banishment to be lifted, but I don't see Bud Selig granting it to him if he did apply. It would be the right thing, but with people breaking the rules all the time in the MLB, it might be best to wait a little longer until we are way past The Steroid Era.
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Post by Car889 on Aug 20, 2012 20:00:42 GMT -5
You can thank bud selig for being the biggest moron What does Pete Rose have to do with Bud Selig? Giamatti is the one who pretty much banned him from baseball. Not only that, but Giamatti seemed to have it in for Pete Rose. Giamatti didn't like him, which is why the punishment was so severe, in my opinion. Could it be more about a personal grudge than the betting itself? Pete Rose has the ability to apply for his banishment to be lifted, but I don't see Bud Selig granting it to him if he did apply. It would be the right thing, but with people breaking the rules all the time in the MLB, it might be best to wait a little longer until we are way past The Steroid Era. I will say this, if we are going to allow players from the "steroid era" make the hall of fame we must first let guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson be inducted if we're going to let McGwire, Bonds, etc. in the hall of fame.
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Post by don0tto on Aug 21, 2012 0:06:51 GMT -5
^Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman. Even if he was one of the greatest hitters ever, it doesn't mean that he should be exempt from punishments. If Barrack Obama murdered someone in cold blood, he would face the same charges as a normal citizen that did so. He would not be exempt from punishment just because he's the president. Funny how when bud selig came Steriod era began. What makes bettman so bad? And please dont tell me betting on baseball is worse then steriods. i bet any money when selif finally leaves the next commissioner should be smart enough to lift his ban and pt him in the hof where he belongs.
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Post by Cameron on Sept 1, 2012 21:38:48 GMT -5
I will say this, if we are going to allow players from the "steroid era" make the hall of fame we must first let guys like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson be inducted if we're going to let McGwire, Bonds, etc. in the hall of fame. I definitely agree.
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