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Post by Cameron on Aug 16, 2012 21:05:28 GMT -5
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/melky-cabrera-suspenion-giants-mlb-drugs_n_1783578.htmlThis is ridiculous. What a huge blow for the Giants. The Giants might not even make the playoffs now. The MLB is going to have to do even more things to prevent this cheating. It's been about a decade since the Giants were doing so well with Barry Bonds leading them, and oh look, now there's Melky Cabrera. I knew something wasn't right about this guy doing so well this season, but I can't say I predicted this. Thoughts? They should replay the all-star game. Things could have been different without the MVP using performance enhancing drugs.
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Post by Apeman711 on Aug 17, 2012 11:54:25 GMT -5
Even though the NL won 8-0? One player did not make that difference.
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Post by Mdolszak on Aug 17, 2012 15:16:48 GMT -5
I think it would be ridiculous to replay the All-Star Game because one player got caught taking PEDs.
It's sad how players are still resorting to PEDs to be the best they can possibly be. And I thought the steroid era was ending...
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Post by Cameron on Aug 17, 2012 18:27:47 GMT -5
Even though the NL won 8-0? One player did not make that difference. I was being sarcastic. He did have a really good game though. The AL clearly lost that game the moment they decided to give Justin Verlander the start. That was the real mistake.
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Post by Ozzie on Aug 17, 2012 21:53:08 GMT -5
Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internetz, Cmt. I figured you were joking though. This actually makes sense, if you think about it. Cabrera never was great with the Yanks. This season and last have kind of been his breakout seasons. I guess he needs PEDs to be a great player....
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Post by don0tto on Aug 18, 2012 2:14:36 GMT -5
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/melky-cabrera-suspenion-giants-mlb-drugs_n_1783578.htmlThis is ridiculous. What a huge blow for the Giants. The Giants might not even make the playoffs now. The MLB is going to have to do even more things to prevent this cheating. It's been about a decade since the Giants were doing so well with Barry Bonds leading them, and oh look, now there's Melky Cabrera. I knew something wasn't right about this guy doing so well this season, but I can't say I predicted this. Thoughts? They should replay the all-star game. Things could have been different without the MVP using performance enhancing drugs. oh dont go there with the bonds things because regardless bonds is a hall of famer melky isnt.
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Post by Cameron on Aug 18, 2012 2:29:37 GMT -5
Who knows, if the drug testing wasn't such a big deal now, Melky Cabrera could have taken steroids for the rest of his career and be in the talks as a hall of famer. Thankfully, they were able to catch him during his breakout season. Anyways, Bonds was a good player before steroids, but do we actually know when he started taking steroids? We don't actually have any evidence that proves Barry Bonds didn't take steroids while he was playing for the Pirates. You have to try and be in the shoes of the hall of fame voters. Think about it. There is no proof that Craig Biggio took steroids. That's great, but there's still that list of failed drug tests that was never released. So, there's no proof that he didn't take steroids. The Steroid Era has changed the way the hall of fame voters will be thinking. As that list wasn't released, the assumption is now that if you played in The Steroid Era, you took steroids. That is the assumption. Unless they have something that proves against it, their hall of fame chances get smaller. That's just the way it is, unfortunately. Until we know the facts on who did what, we can't make the assumption that "Oh, Derek Jeter? Yeah, he's clean. He didn't do steroids." or "Jeff Kent? He never failed any drug test." Until we know all the information, we can't say that this guy did steroids and this guy didn't. We don't know all the facts to make statements like that.
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Post by don0tto on Aug 19, 2012 1:53:11 GMT -5
Who knows, if the drug testing wasn't such a big deal now, Melky Cabrera could have taken steroids for the rest of his career and be in the talks as a hall of famer. Thankfully, they were able to catch him during his breakout season. Anyways, Bonds was a good player before steroids, but do we actually know when he started taking steroids? We don't actually have any evidence that proves Barry Bonds didn't take steroids while he was playing for the Pirates. You have to try and be in the shoes of the hall of fame voters. Think about it. There is no proof that Craig Biggio took steroids. That's great, but there's still that list of failed drug tests that was never released. So, there's no proof that he didn't take steroids. The Steroid Era has changed the way the hall of fame voters will be thinking. As that list wasn't released, the assumption is now that if you played in The Steroid Era, you took steroids. That is the assumption. Unless they have something that proves against it, their hall of fame chances get smaller. That's just the way it is, unfortunately. Until we know the facts on who did what, we can't make the assumption that "Oh, Derek Jeter? Yeah, he's clean. He didn't do steroids." or "Jeff Kent? He never failed any drug test." Until we know all the information, we can't say that this guy did steroids and this guy didn't. We don't know all the facts to make statements like that. if you look way before the steriod Era Bonds had Hall of Famer stats. so if you count of this era h is a hall ofamer. he did he didnt take we dont know he was found no guilty of it in court. So who kows i always liked bonds hitting those homeruns. i believe he will get in as will Clemens eventually. We dont know any facts so what do you think of that mitchell report that started this whole steriod era, i also blame bud selig is the worst commissioner ever.
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Post by Cameron on Aug 19, 2012 10:30:52 GMT -5
So because he was good before he took steroids, it's okay then? Dishonestly taking steroids and fooling the world isn't wrong? The whole court thing was about the BALCO trial or whatever. It doesn't really mean anything whether he was guilty or not guilty there. He was not guilty of the whole lying under oath thing, but a lot has to be proven to be guilty of such a thing. Innocent until proven guilty. In my opinion, Bud Selig is one of the best commissioners in MLB history. It's a hard job to be a commissioner in the 21st century with all this new technology deciding how the replay system will work. He is also doing his best leading the MLB past The Steroid Era.
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Post by don0tto on Aug 19, 2012 12:57:16 GMT -5
So because he was good before he took steroids, it's okay then? Dishonestly taking steroids and fooling the world isn't wrong? The whole court thing was about the BALCO trial or whatever. It doesn't really mean anything whether he was guilty or not guilty there. He was not guilty of the whole lying under oath thing, but a lot has to be proven to be guilty of such a thing. Innocent until proven guilty. In my opinion, Bud Selig is one of the best commissioners in MLB history. It's a hard job to be a commissioner in the 21st century with all this new technology deciding how the replay system will work. He is also doing his best leading the MLB past The Steroid Era. bud selig was here when the steriod era began. if u take roid u should be banned. innocent until proven guikty u are right. bonds is a hof. btw pete rose should be in the hall
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Post by Cameron on Sept 1, 2012 21:42:36 GMT -5
When The Steroid Era began is another thing we don't really know. Sure, we can speculate that it started right around the beginning of the 21st century, but we don't know that to be certain. Bud Selig became the commissioner back in 1998 according to Wikipedia. Statistics started fluctuating before then.
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Post by Ndamustomp suh on Sept 3, 2012 4:00:22 GMT -5
Even though the NL won 8-0? One player did not make that difference. I was being sarcastic. He did have a really good game though. The AL clearly lost that game the moment they decided to give Justin Verlander the start. That was the real mistake. Justin Verlander the start. That was the real mistake. Agreed, it was a mistake, but don't make it sound like they had a better option. Verlander is the best pitcher in the league when he is on fire.
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